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	<description>slices of my life in Peru</description>
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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/comment-page-1/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi , I trully appreciate your concern about our poor people at the Andes. I personality have been to Puno a few times and I felt very sorry for all of them , more now that I live in Missouri.  The wheather here is also bad  in the winter time but we have a good heater  systen everywhere. 
I am ready to work for any organization or as we call ONGS, getting the help for those sweetheart  that need of our charity asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi , I trully appreciate your concern about our poor people at the Andes. I personality have been to Puno a few times and I felt very sorry for all of them , more now that I live in Missouri.  The wheather here is also bad  in the winter time but we have a good heater  systen everywhere.<br />
I am ready to work for any organization or as we call ONGS, getting the help for those sweetheart  that need of our charity asap.</p>
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		<title>By: Peruanista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peruanista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb, those in Peru who want to keep things the way they are - they accuse community leaders as terrorists, or Indigenous movements as &#039;racist separatists&#039; and they are the last ones to share a cent for the needy. Most of the rich in Peru KNOW well of the poverty and suffering of the Andean people but they don&#039;t give a thing for the indios, unless they want to use their tragedy for some fund raising. You are aware of this with Pisco.

Costs of sending huge donations of shoes, blankets and sweaters to highland towns are contra productive. The journalists that went to video record the deaths of children should have brief the government in Lima and Puno on what to do next. The government of Peru should send help through its military engineering squads.

I encourage everyone who can to help the needy in Peru, DO IT. But beware and research before you donate to government agencies. Meanwhile, I am suggesting in my blog to take a more urgent step which is to push for a political change, regardless of what party is in charge. Peru needs a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb, those in Peru who want to keep things the way they are &#8211; they accuse community leaders as terrorists, or Indigenous movements as &#8216;racist separatists&#8217; and they are the last ones to share a cent for the needy. Most of the rich in Peru KNOW well of the poverty and suffering of the Andean people but they don&#8217;t give a thing for the indios, unless they want to use their tragedy for some fund raising. You are aware of this with Pisco.</p>
<p>Costs of sending huge donations of shoes, blankets and sweaters to highland towns are contra productive. The journalists that went to video record the deaths of children should have brief the government in Lima and Puno on what to do next. The government of Peru should send help through its military engineering squads.</p>
<p>I encourage everyone who can to help the needy in Peru, DO IT. But beware and research before you donate to government agencies. Meanwhile, I am suggesting in my blog to take a more urgent step which is to push for a political change, regardless of what party is in charge. Peru needs a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly ESL/EFL reading &#8211; June 2 &#171; ICPNA teacher´s blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weekly ESL/EFL reading &#8211; June 2 &#171; ICPNA teacher´s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week&#8217;s must read: Needless deaths in the Andes. From Barb at American in Lima, the story of mostly poor, indigenous children in the high Andes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week&#8217;s must read: Needless deaths in the Andes. From Barb at American in Lima, the story of mostly poor, indigenous children in the high Andes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ranting is fine, Ward. Those of us who love Peru get so frustrated. The solution needs to be shared by both the government and by the middle/upper class. 

In all this, I keep thinking, &#039;What would I want people to do if I were a mom in the puna with a kid dying of pneumonia?&#039; I would want people to bring aid immediately, whoever or whatever group/person/interest they represented.  Understanding and fixing the root causes of the problems is critical but what these poor people need now are immediate (short-term) solutions until the bigger problems are solved.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a waste of time giving people blankets and food. The people I know around Ausangate are frickin&#039; hungry all the time and their kids don&#039;t have warm jackets and solid shoes. That stuff can really help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ranting is fine, Ward. Those of us who love Peru get so frustrated. The solution needs to be shared by both the government and by the middle/upper class. </p>
<p>In all this, I keep thinking, &#8216;What would I want people to do if I were a mom in the puna with a kid dying of pneumonia?&#8217; I would want people to bring aid immediately, whoever or whatever group/person/interest they represented.  Understanding and fixing the root causes of the problems is critical but what these poor people need now are immediate (short-term) solutions until the bigger problems are solved.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a waste of time giving people blankets and food. The people I know around Ausangate are frickin&#8217; hungry all the time and their kids don&#8217;t have warm jackets and solid shoes. That stuff can really help them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ward Welvaert</title>
		<link>http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/comment-page-1/#comment-1441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ward Welvaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add to my last comment, some of the problems that contribute to the death of these kids are easy to fix:

* Lack of doctors?  Let the academic bureaucrats lower the requirements to get into med school at UNSAAC.

* Lack of nurses?  Pay them more than S/.800 (~ $270) per &lt;em&gt;month&lt;/em&gt;.

* Lack of blankets?  Gimmie a break.  Lousy building standards and poor people who work outside (with their babies in tow) is more like it.

As for the medical establishment, if you go to Clinica Pardo (a private clinic) in Cusco, as a gringo, the first thing they ask you (grinning) is whether you have US health insurance...  Poor people go to the back of the line.

etc. etc. etc.

A lot could be done to fix these kinds of problems, and it isn&#039;t just the government bureaucrats who are responsible.

Enough with my soapbox now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add to my last comment, some of the problems that contribute to the death of these kids are easy to fix:</p>
<p>* Lack of doctors?  Let the academic bureaucrats lower the requirements to get into med school at UNSAAC.</p>
<p>* Lack of nurses?  Pay them more than S/.800 (~ $270) per <em>month</em>.</p>
<p>* Lack of blankets?  Gimmie a break.  Lousy building standards and poor people who work outside (with their babies in tow) is more like it.</p>
<p>As for the medical establishment, if you go to Clinica Pardo (a private clinic) in Cusco, as a gringo, the first thing they ask you (grinning) is whether you have US health insurance&#8230;  Poor people go to the back of the line.</p>
<p>etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>A lot could be done to fix these kinds of problems, and it isn&#8217;t just the government bureaucrats who are responsible.</p>
<p>Enough with my soapbox now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ward Welvaert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ward Welvaert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t just blame governments, incompetent and corrupt as they may be.  The local and national government of Peru &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; to a degree representative of the people.

I don&#039;t think government will change Peru.  The middle class should, business leaders, religious leaders, union representatives, students, etc. etc. etc.  Again, I don&#039;t mean to generalize, but the apathy here can be mindboggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t just blame governments, incompetent and corrupt as they may be.  The local and national government of Peru <em>are</em> to a degree representative of the people.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think government will change Peru.  The middle class should, business leaders, religious leaders, union representatives, students, etc. etc. etc.  Again, I don&#8217;t mean to generalize, but the apathy here can be mindboggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About donating money to the bank accounts: It is a judgement call as to whether your money (or most of it) will reach the needy. Caritas is a legitimate charity in Peru and does good around the country, but I don&#039;t know what percentage of donations goes to the cause vs their overhead. I have not heard of outright stealing of donated dollars, but that doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t happen.

I do know a pastor at Union Church, who is a sincere and hardworking man. When he collects blankets and coats, they will go to the needy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About donating money to the bank accounts: It is a judgement call as to whether your money (or most of it) will reach the needy. Caritas is a legitimate charity in Peru and does good around the country, but I don&#8217;t know what percentage of donations goes to the cause vs their overhead. I have not heard of outright stealing of donated dollars, but that doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>I do know a pastor at Union Church, who is a sincere and hardworking man. When he collects blankets and coats, they will go to the needy.</p>
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		<title>By: Barb</title>
		<link>http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/comment-page-1/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Barb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right that an Internet campaign to send material goods won&#039;t change the corruption, but as I said, it&#039;s a start. 

Your idea of the people demanding that emergency resources be sent in by helicopter is a good one. 

Have you heard of any groups pressuring for more immediate and serious aid? Post a response here so people can read where to help or protest. I will be in the puna this week so I can&#039;t post here much but if you hear of something that people can do to take direct action, I would appreciate your sharing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right that an Internet campaign to send material goods won&#8217;t change the corruption, but as I said, it&#8217;s a start. </p>
<p>Your idea of the people demanding that emergency resources be sent in by helicopter is a good one. </p>
<p>Have you heard of any groups pressuring for more immediate and serious aid? Post a response here so people can read where to help or protest. I will be in the puna this week so I can&#8217;t post here much but if you hear of something that people can do to take direct action, I would appreciate your sharing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Peruanista</title>
		<link>http://americaninlima.com/2009/06/02/needless-deaths-in-the-andes/comment-page-1/#comment-1437</link>
		<dc:creator>Peruanista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barb, as your husband must be aware, donations in Peru usually end up in the wrong hands. While I am glad to see bloggers in Lima that care about the Andean children, I find it contradictory when they try to help our Indigenous peoples of the highlands but they remain silent on what is happening with the Amazonian peoples and their struggle against free trade policies. 

Sometimes I read Lima blogs and I find very few exceptions of independence and honesty when it comes to Peru’s social issues. Now I see information on bank accounts and donations centers posted online. We should take the 2007 earthquake experience to know that some of those donations WILL NOT reach the Andes. 

What I believe must be done, is to demand the governments of Lima and Puno to send immediate emergency resources including hospitals and heating systems to the area, by helicopters or any other way. Peruvians should demand a reform in the way economic resources are distributed in Peru, with more investment in social infrastructure. 

Donations and internet campaigns can only do so little when the big guys feel they can do whatever they want, in a country that exports annually $37 billion dollars in natural resources mostly from the Andes and the Amazon forest, you have to realize there is a racist policy on taking that richness away from those regions and ****ing forget about the people that live there. An internet campaign to donate sweaters and money won’t change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barb, as your husband must be aware, donations in Peru usually end up in the wrong hands. While I am glad to see bloggers in Lima that care about the Andean children, I find it contradictory when they try to help our Indigenous peoples of the highlands but they remain silent on what is happening with the Amazonian peoples and their struggle against free trade policies. </p>
<p>Sometimes I read Lima blogs and I find very few exceptions of independence and honesty when it comes to Peru’s social issues. Now I see information on bank accounts and donations centers posted online. We should take the 2007 earthquake experience to know that some of those donations WILL NOT reach the Andes. </p>
<p>What I believe must be done, is to demand the governments of Lima and Puno to send immediate emergency resources including hospitals and heating systems to the area, by helicopters or any other way. Peruvians should demand a reform in the way economic resources are distributed in Peru, with more investment in social infrastructure. </p>
<p>Donations and internet campaigns can only do so little when the big guys feel they can do whatever they want, in a country that exports annually $37 billion dollars in natural resources mostly from the Andes and the Amazon forest, you have to realize there is a racist policy on taking that richness away from those regions and ****ing forget about the people that live there. An internet campaign to donate sweaters and money won’t change that.</p>
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